A pointless conversation

Last year I got myself a new friend to go play with. A Master Hypnotist who lives in my town and frequents the local Starbucks to boot. Now, I don’t know if Starbucks sell Cud  but we manage to chew great quantities when we are there!

The great thing about conversation coming from a pointless state of ‘just for the sake of it’,  is its ability to create. It comes from the unconscious and usually creates the unexpected or  unexpectedly reminds us of something we haven’t considered for a some time and may have forgotten about.

During our last visit to Starbucks, JJ and I talked about the work of Dr David Hawkin, amongst other things. 

Whaddya know?

In that one conversation, I found a model  to easily explain a coaching model that I have been continually refining for about 10 years AND a superb explanation as to why the coaching model works.  I came to know it differently.

I perceive knowledge has 4 states, 2 conscious and 2 unconscious:

  1. there are
    a.) things we know and
    b.) things we don’t know
  2. but there are also those things
    c.) we didn’t know that we knew and
    d.) things that we didn’t know that we didn’t know.

Group 1. are logical experiences and come from the conscious mind, whereas
things in group 2 just occur and come from the unconscious. 
Group 1 originate in the past and group 2 originate in the present.

Compared to the logical things , the unconscious things are almost limitless in number and always show up in conversation. Only in a conversation can you find out what you didn’t know that you didn’t know or realise that you knew something that didn’t think you did.

Then it is probably a good thing to start a conversation almost unconsciously, talk to people for no reason. There are no limits at that point. Try it on a bus or train and be surprised by how many strange looks you don’t get!

The limits come as one becomes more conscious of the conversation.
It makes me wonder if there is ever such a thing as a pointless conversation, since they will almost all arrive at a point.

However, conversation needs an intention and yet intension, in itself, starts as an unconscious thought. There are a few studies to support this and I have listed one below.

Then we might as well go chew the cud with everyone. Perhaps Forrest might explain it thus:

Conversation is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you’re gonna get

“To boot”

means Moreover; in addition to
The ‘boot’ is thought to be a derivative of the earlier ‘bat’ meaning ‘good or useful’. This is also the root of the word ‘better’

“Chew the cud”

means To chat, in an aimless manner
…part digested food that ruminant animals, notably cows, bring back into their mouths from their first stomach, to chew at leisure

definitions and explanations from The Phrase Finder



~ Benjamin Libet,  Curtis A. Gleason, Elwood W. Wright and Dennis K. Pear


From the movie Forrest Gump 1994  http://imdb.com 

Source http://blu-ray.com


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  5. This principle also underpins and explains why brainstorming can be so fruitful. Other tools I find useful for progressing my “thinking” , especially when on my own, include pretending I know the answer, and even conversing with myself (though when practised out loud that really does garner the funny looks!). I also find Mind Maps helpful and fun!

  6. Like saying hi to an old friend, “you never know what you’re going to get.” Its rarely a request for a loan – I find – when I initiate the call. Also, perhaps its something I picked up from the “visitors-should-bear-gifts” of the Japanese society I live in, but if I initiate the call, I tend to have a thing or three ready to clue my friend in to.

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